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Who is the best villain?
Kefka
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Sephiroth
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PostSubject: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 5th 2008, 10:45 pm

OK, I am putting this here because I want popular opinion of who would win beetween thee two greatest Final Fantasy villains, Kefka or Sephiroth.

If you don't know who the heck is Kefka or who is Sephiroth (Not probable) just ask here and I'll say it to you.

I'M ASKING WHO IS THE BEST VILLAIN, and then maybe who would win on a fight.

In my opinion, kefka is a loooooot better villain than Sephiroth. Reasons? FIrst, he is 10000 times more insane than Sephiroth, he is like one of the two FF villains that managed to accomplish their goals. The other one was Ultimecia, but she did that for... err... one day... Meanwhile Kefka conquered the world for 1 or 2 years.

Then, he was a REAL God. He could launch attacks one very part of the world whenever he wanted to, he could create monsters (is the same that creating life) and again he was FREAKING INSANE.

Also, his laughs were just great.

Belive me, there is not other villain better than Kefka.

Now, your oppinions...


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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 12:47 am

The greatest Final Fantasy Villain of all time? Though I hate the game... I'd have to say sephiroth. He may not be as insane, but he almost destroyed a planet because he found out he wasn't human. Now you tell me that he isn't insane. Plue, we don't have a kefka here that can kill me, but we DO have a sephiroth that can rip out my bones. For that, I sa Sephiroth!

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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 1:30 am

I say Sephiroth as well--because Kadaj is a part of Sephiroth. Now I am pretty damn insane, and Kadaj is only a third of Sephiroth. So now you KNOW that Sephiroth must be able ot kick some ass then.

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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 11:54 am

Well, I have the fact that Kefka managed to accomplish his porpuse, and he destroyed the planet and left it in ruins, leaving some survivors.

He was able to shater all party members around the world, again, he was a REAL GOD!!!

And oh yeah, Jaix, Kefka was a loooooot more insane than that. Sephiroth wanted to destory the planet because he discovered that he wasn't human, he had a reason. But Kefka wanted to destroy all beccause he liked to see people suffer and he wanted to do all the terrible things that he did for FUN.

I think that Kefka was more insane than Sephiroth because of that fact.

And Sephiroth must watch for a reason to rip your bones, but Kefka needs no reason. He just see you, grabs a knife, and start stabbing you all over the body with his god powers.

And in power... I still say that Kefka would win.

Again, his villain laught makes him memorable.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 4:07 pm

Kefka easily, Sephiroth is just a mama's boy who always want to see his mother again. Sephiroth went insane learning he was not human *boo hoo* poor him. KEFKA on the other hand... well I'll just give you the info directly.

Born to unknown parentage, Kefka was abandoned at birth. Raised in
an orphanage in Thamasa, Kefka was beaten severely by the orphanage
head, and developed a taciturn personality. Eventually, he left Thamasa
for Vector. Graduating at the top of his class from the Imperial
academy, Kefka became the apprentice of Cid, and agreed to be the first experimental test subject for Magitek
infusion. The experiment was initially a success and granted Kefka
great magical power. But while it had no immediate side effects, the
infusion would lead to the gradual degeneration of Kefka's sanity.
At the age of 23, Kefka was appointed commander of the Magitek
Knights. In the following years, he took an interest in the recently
orphaned daughter of an Imperial soldier and a Tzen female aristocrat, Celes Chere.
Kefka used his political pull to make sure that Celes was brought up a
Magitek Knight. Kefka's political ascension culminated when, at age 31,
he was appointed to the position of Imperial Prime Minister. Kefka's
reign, however, would be short-lived. At a banquet celebrating the
appointment of his protégé Celes Chere to Rear Admiral, Kefka cracked.
The Magitek infusion from years prior finally manifested itself and
Kefka began to slip into insanity.
Kefka began to show marked change in behavior; once a shy,
reserved man, Kefka began dressing in garish robes, wearing make-up,
and playing with dolls. His once keen strategic mind deteriorated, and
all that was left was a thirst for death and destruction, and a twisted
sense of dark humor. Kefka was promptly removed from military duty.
Still feeling indebted to him for his years of service, and
appreciating his loyalty, Gestahl appointed Kefka to the position of
Court Mage of the Gestahilian Empire. His former position was filled by General Leo Cristophe, sparking a fierce hatred of the man in Kefka.

Thats his history and after that like Kaze said many things happened, Kefka killed probably millions while Sephiroth killed like a few people.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 8:16 pm

You guys seem to forget that Sephiroth pictured himself as a god, killed an entire town out of rage, then summoned a giant meteor, which may not have destroyed the planet, but still decreased the surplus population, then caused a terrible virus to attack long after he was dead, and survive through three remnants...
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 6th 2008, 11:27 pm

Meh, Angeal, you forgot this part:

When Kefka arrived at the army camp when they were fighting against the castle of Doma. General Leo wanted to win the war against their enemies with minimal casualties, and even trying to negociate, but kefka had the idea of poisoning the river with all his troops and kill everyone on the castle. General Leo denyed this but then Kefka made a false call of the Emperor to Leo and when the General was gone, he used his super poison to contaminate all the river and kill more than 500 people. (According to the game).

Its incredible how many people did kefka killed alone in 1 or 2 hours...

There were only two survivors, the others died. Childrens, women, men, animals, and maybe 10 or 20 of his own soldiers.

Also, when he took control of Terra's mind before the game, he used her powers to kill 20 of his best soldiers.

Also Genesis, Sephiroth destroyed a town because of his rage, but Kefka destroyed... umm... let me think... 6 or 5 cities and towns because he WANTED TO. That happened when he became a god. He started to kill everyone that crossed in his way when he got out of his tower.

He was the Court Mage, but then he killed his own emperor and his city, (Women, Children, etc).

Then again, he destroyed all of that with a movement of his hand.

Yeah, Sephiroth PICTURED himself as a god, he summoned a meteor... and what? According to the power that Kefka had, he could summon a meteor and finish off the planet if he wanted to, but he preffer looking at how people suffer slowly, so he could enjoy it.

IF he send a meteor, he wouldn't have too much fun...

Also, Kefka is the original "Angel of Death". One winged angel, because on the last fight he have the form of a deadly angel and he even sais that he is the "Angel of Death". Some parts of Kefka were used on Sephiroth, according to the FF Wikia.

And now that I investigate, Sephiroth battle is a copy of Kefka battle, he used the same way of dying, they have almost the same form (Angel). THey had similar powers. The only thing that differenced them was this:



First battle against this kind of giant, then against the lion head and all those people, then against the virgin and that man and finally you had to fight against the fourth form of Kefka, the "Angel of Death".



Ufff... I gave a good explination, huh?
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 1:33 am

Sephiroth wins by default.

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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 3:49 am

Genesis wrote:
You guys seem to forget that Sephiroth pictured himself as a god, killed an entire town out of rage, then summoned a giant meteor, which may not have destroyed the planet, but still decreased the surplus population, then caused a terrible virus to attack long after he was dead, and survive through three remnants...

Aha! However, Kefka, WAS indeed a god, didn't picture himself as one but wasn't, he WAS!! Kefka poisoned a whole army camp, plus attacked around fifty towns/cities out of fun. He summoned thousands of things, he split the Earth in half, he literally BURNED the world. He resurrected gods to do his bidding, he turned the world to a post-apocalyptic barren wasteland, Kefka over Sephiroth any day, any place, any time, any etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:14 am

You cannot just say "Sephiroth wins by default." By the looks of it, and from all the explinations, Kefka would shatter Sephiroth easily.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 6:57 am

Now you all have gone and fucked up. I will not have my namesake slandered by you lot. Let me put this straight.


First and foremost being insane does not a villain make. Kefka was made insane by an unfortunate series of events just like Sephiroth. Both were experimented on and that caused their mental breakdown. But you lack the insight to understand the fact that Kefka was a willing participant. But as I said insanity is not villainry.

Secondly, Sephiroth gets in your head and makes you do things you would never do. If not for his friends holding him back cloud would have murdered Aeris. He makes others do his dirty work.

Third, you seem to forget another thing. Sephiroth was born of Jenova's cells and Jenova like the Cetra are Godlike. And how being a god makes you a villain I just can't understand.

Fourth, A true villain isn't a mass murderer. Much like Kefka. And if I may quote my benefactor. "I will sail the cosmos using this planet as my vessel. And on a new planet we will create a shining future." This quote is not about mindless killing, it shows purpose. To make a future in his image. And where Kefka is completely insane, Sephiroth is not. Making his decisions more thought out and less maniacal.

Kefka is not a villain of his own making. His insanity makes him evil, a villain he may be but not the greatest. Sephiroth may be crazy at times but he is a villain because of what he is and at those who made him what he is. He decided to be evil not because he is crazy but because he is filled with anger and hatred for what he is.

Lastly, you get in Sephiroths way and you die. No multiple stab wounds just dead. Plain and simple no elaboration. Just Dead.

I do believe I have given more than enough proof that Sephiroth is indeed the greatest villain.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 11:04 am

Agreed. Thus Sephiroth wins by default. Not only Does he get up and eat his wheaties every morning, but he looks good while doing it and smiling on the fornt of the cereal box, "A part of this nutrional breakfast *eat and die*."

Kefka, what the fuck? That just sounds like a guy that is desperate for soem homosexual attention. But Sephiroth, think about it, would you want to be in a jail cell with a man canmed SEPHIROTH? I know I wouldn't. So wow, Kefka was a god, so is Allah. And I don't see Allah doing jack shit. Do you?

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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 12:54 pm

Whatever you like to believe, honestly I think that Kefka is and will remain better. However, this is why I hate topics like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 1:10 pm

So, looks like all you little Kefka fans just got your asses handed to you. Also, if I may add one more thing, go around and take a poll of 100 random gamers, and see which one is just more popular. I'd bet you anything that half of them wouldn't know who the hell Kefka even was! He may have been a god in his game, but how did he impact the real world?
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 1:34 pm

According to info gathered...

Sephiroth is more famous than Kefka for minimal votes, but there is the fact that Sephiroth is in KH games, on a movies and many games, meanwhile Kefka only have appeared on a simple game...

And just because YOU and some of your friends doesn't know who is Kefka doesn't means that all the world doesn't know who is he. BTW, I'm talking to Genesis.

I would write something against what Sephiroth said, but I have little time, so I can't.

EDIT: Ah, Genesis, Kefka have been chosen best villain ever by millions of gamers on many sites, magazines and even really more important stuff than that. In Nortth America he is well known as the "Psycho Clown" and many people compares him with Sephiroth, and the ones that give a vote to Sephiroth are the ones that never played FF VI. (No offense, but it is the truth)

Just because we haven't seen Kefka jumping from one bulding to another breaking everything on his path and using incredible techniques doesn't mean he can't do it.

Yeah, and if having Jenova cells makes Sephiroth some kind of a god, Cloud and Zack are gods too...

God, and this topic was a bad idea. I really didn't wanted to start such a discution.

I would request an admin or a mod to lock this, before it get worse.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 3:16 pm

BlackWindKaze wrote:

And just because YOU and some of your friends doesn't know who is Kefka doesn't means that all the world doesn't know who is he. BTW, I'm talking to Genesis.

Could you kindly point out where I stated that I didn't know who Kefka is? I know damn well who he is and what he is, and I still believe Sephiroth the better.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 3:53 pm

But I was just getting started.

In response to Kaze, Cloud and Zack are not the same as Sephiroth. Genetically enhanced super soldiers they may be but Sephiroth was born of Jenovas cells. Zack and Cloud were inhanced when they became soldiers. Now Genesis and Angeal I have my speculations but since I haven't played crisis core yet I don't know much about them, but from what I have heard of them it seems plausible that they are like Sephiroth.


And there is just one little fact that you just stepped on. FFVII was chosen to have a movie made on its basis. And two or more spin off games. And the fact that Kefka happens to be a crossdressing crazy person and Sephiroth is a handsome buff dude that millions of fangirls are in love with. And save Vincent he is probably the Sexiest character from any of the final fantasy games.(Not counting Yunalesca in the first form you see) Let alone the sexiest male villain. Therefore one of the most popular.

Also he impalled a Zolom on a tree, didn't just cut its head off and be done with it he took the time to impail the huge snake on a tree to discurage people from following him.

(If you call me gay for anything I have said I will ban you. I am comfortable with my heteroness to say anything I want. And because I don't like profiling because of how people act and talk.)
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 4:07 pm

Just so you know Advent Children was not even supposed to be made, it was supposed to be just a 20 minute short showing what our characters were doing and fight a giant monster (which would be the Bahamut) there would have been no Kadaj and no return of Sephiroth. But the fans demanded it from the creators so they were forced to make it. And I pretty much hated the movie, it was so under dramatic. I mean when you see Rufus in the drags and stuff you just think "Who is that?" and they go off and tell you in a few seconds, again when Rufus trys to explain how he survived, Cloud just interrupts him saying "I dont care, what do you want, I'm leaving." Which left alot of us in wonder.

One thing confused me on the motocycle thing at the start, I know its Final Fantasy and all but Cloud got shot in the head! And his goggles some how deflected the bullet? (man I want those goggles).
But the fighting was alright, graphics were great and i have to say the return of Sephiroth and the whole fight was pretty cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:15 pm

Men, I don't have bad memory to do not remember some of our chat room talks, Geny.

Sephiroth, I' will not call you gay because there is no reason, they made a movie about FF VII because no one knew what happened to the planet, if Holy managed to protect the planet or not. many of this things are shown on interviews on the special material of FF Advent Children.

Uggh... for some reason I think that you forgot the topic, Seph. I'm not talking who is the most popular or most sexiest character, I'm talking about who was the best villain, and with villain I say the guy that made the most horrible and bad things on all FF.

And I concord with you angeal, anti-bullets glasses?
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:30 pm

I take it you watched it in english. You understand what happens when you translate a movie. The translation tends not to be exactly what they meant it to be. But you understand that the "FANS" demanded it. You said it. Demanded. Hmm sounds like it supports my evidence. I mean it was all the rage when it came out, even with cloud being a total emo idiot. So obviously it wasn't being watched for cloud by most. SSo considering that most of the other main characters had small parts in the movies, you are left with Rude Reno Tifa Marlene Denzel Loz Yazoo Kadaj Vincent and Sephiroth. And out of those Marlene and Denzel would have a small fan base. Reno and Rude have some fans because of their hilarious antics throughout the movie and their fight with Yazoo and Loz. Tifa because she is hot and because she totally kicks Loz' ass has a medium fan base. So you are left with four Guys Vincent Cloud Sephiroth and Kadaj. Three of which count for Sephiroth. Vincent just because of his sheer badassness might take the cake but I would still give it to Sephiroth because He spawns three badass dudes and can't truly die while cloud or any remnant still lives. And the fight at the end. Cloud should have been out for the count. Given normal circumstances he should be dead but the main hero doesn't die. Sephiroth took out his shoulder. Not only would the bloodloss most likely kill him. His right arm his striking arm would be useless. This just downgrades his badassness. He should have won.

as an end note for Kaze

Popularity and Sexiness are a big contributor to the whole villain aspect. If your don't appeal to the audience then you end up being ignored, and if everyone ignores you then you have no power and therefore you aren't a villain. Thats how freddy kruger was beaten. The town forgot him and he no longer had the power to be a villain. I mean he had to bring jason back just to become a villain again.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:35 pm

oh and about the goggles. A shot from Yazoo's Velvet Nightmare killed Cloud. If he hadn't landed in the church and had he not had aeris' help he would have died. So goggles or not a shot to the head at that point would have killed Cloud. But because of Yazoo's constant motion and his arc over cloud and cloud's upturned head the bullet glanced off clouds goggles as the bullet flew past clouds head. Simple fact is Yazoo missed.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:37 pm

Sephiroth wrote:
Now Genesis and Angeal I have my speculations but since I haven't played crisis core yet I don't know much about them, but from what I have heard of them it seems plausible that they are like Sephiroth.
They are like, but not a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:50 pm

As to what Kaze said...

At the beginning of this forum he asked for the popular vote on the best villian. Now assuming that he knows the only posters would be the site he changes it the to world when his side is losing.

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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 5:57 pm

So they are the same as Sephiroth Jenova cells injected before birth. That makes them as good as gods
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PostSubject: Re: Kefka vs Sephiroth   December 7th 2008, 6:29 pm

Sephiroth: Meh, sure. I'm a god. Smile

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